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There was another meeting a couple of weeks ago of EmacsATX, the Austin Emacs Meetup group. For this month we had no predetermined topic. However, as always, there was mention of new modes, packages, technologies and websites that I had never heard of, and some of this may be of interest to you as well.

#1 was one of the organizers; he used to live in Austin and now lives in East Texas.
#2 was a programming instructor in NYC.
#3 was The Artist Known as Number Three, the Esteemed Gentleman From Oklahoma.
#4 was a devops engineer for a quantum computing company in Madison, WI (he is in Madison, but the company is based elsewhere).
#5 was the other organizer, formerly working for the City of Austin.
#6 was our professor, the Other Esteemed Gentleman From Oklahoma.

When I dialed in the guys were talking about how to keep their kids out of their home offices, although some allow them to go in sometimes. #3 said his kids are adults, and they still do not go into his office. His adult daughter will not cross that yellow line.

#4 talked about the company he works for and his use of Emacs. They make quantum computers by using lasers to trap atoms in a vacuum. I asked him if he worked for Rigetti Computing, but he said it was another company. I guessed Rigetti because 1. It is the only quantum computing company I could name, and 2. Whenever someone on the web asks who uses Common Lisp, a Rigetti person mentions they use Common Lisp. I assume a company that uses Common Lisp would have a lot of Emacs users. He explained that Rigetti makes a chip, while making a quantum computer with trapped ions is a completely different process. #4 said he does not know too much about the lasers and that there is an engineering team that configures them. He said that the configurations are stored in Org files and the process can be run multple times from the same configuration.

Still, I think it is interesting that Emacs can be used to control lasers. And because there were some snarky comments in the chat, he was compelled to point out the lasers are not mounted on sharks.

#4 did know more about lasers than the average person (like what the can and cannot cut through), and he and #3 spent a few minutes discussing lasers. #3 worked with lasers in the Navy. I remarked that #3 seemed like a Renaissance Man: He uses Emacs, he was in the military, he shoots lasers, he has had some music from different genres on in the backround during meetings.

#2 introduced himself. He found out about the group from #4. They met through the nanofiction community. #2 has been using Emacs for 2 years, and came to Emacs from Vim because he thought Vim was too limited. #4 came to Emacs from SciTE.

I mentioned that I wished the developer from Dallas (who was last month’s #2) was on the call. He was speaking to a newcomer who was having a hard time getting into Emacs that many people see Emacs as an editor, tool, or IDE, and while it is those things, ultimately it is a Lisp REPL. My power went out, and I wished I heard him finish the thought. A few people said he went on for several minutes. This led into a rehashing of some of last month’s topics, including Verb mode. #2 thought we said “Bird mode”. It turns out there is a Bird mode; none of us had heard of it or could tell what it does from the sparse Readme.

The two words sound very similar. The word for last month’s mode is “verb”, and connotes action. The word for this month’s mode, on the other hand, has a more avian flare to it. The word for this month’s mode is an ornithogical expression, as it were. What is the work? My friends, “bird” is the word. (According to Wikipedia, it took four people to write that song.)

#4 shared link to RDE, a Scheme repo for reproducible development environments. He and #2 talked for a few moments about Guix, which uses Scheme for configuration.

I asked about an issue I was having with REPLs in CIDER: It would hang when I hit return. The solution was to add this to the Emacs configuration:

(define-key paredit-mode-map (kbd "RET") nil)

This solution was also suggested at Emacs Redux. But when I added it, I kept getting this error:

Symbol's value as variable is void: paredit-mode-map

#4 said it was because it was trying to set paredit-mode-map before paredit was loaded. I am not sure why that would be happening, since I put this at the end of my file. He suggested I change it to this:

(with-eval-after-load 'paredit (define-key paredit-mode-map (kbd "RET") nil))

That worked. I do not know why I was getting the error even though I put the “define-key” towards the end. Perhaps it is time to read Mastering Emacs, the Emacs manual, or perhaps both. Anyway, devops for the win.

I edited my config, and tried out the solution while the conversation continued. When I came back, they were talking about configs and start-up times.

Then talk shifted to startup time. #3 and #6 finally met up in OKC, and #3 helped #6 with his Emacs init, and significantly reduced his startup time. #3 said the basic idea was to use use-package to defer what you need until you need it. Now #6 loads his packages at the beginning using add-to-list to add packages and then configures them with use-package. He has about 155 packages.

Now that I think about it, use-package used to get mentioned a lot at these meetings, but lately it has not been mentioned as much.

#4 runs Emacs server on login, and then runs Emacs client when he needs to edit files, like bluetooth: it starts when you login, not when you connect a device. If #4 comes back on later, I will have to ask him if he keeps any instances going all day, starts and exits, or some combination. He also said that other people on his team use Emacs and talked about their configs, but I did not add that to my notes.

#2 asked about tiling window managers, and #3 talked about WMs that he has used. I use Emacs with the “–no-window-system” option, and just stick with the GUIs that Ubuntu and System76 give me, so some of this went over my head. #3 avoids i3wm because others use it. Not only is he a Renaissance Man, he is a Hipster Renaissance Man.

#3 mentioned he tries to live in Emacs as much as possible, but is not an extremist. He uses Gnus to check email and does a lot of things that most people do in other programs, but he admits there are some things we should do outside of Emacs. He does not play music or browse the web in Emacs. He tried does that. Checks Gnus and email in Emacs. Lives in Emacs. He tried using Emacs to access KeePassXC,but did not like it. I also tried it using keepass-mode, but I did not like the fact that I could not sort the entries in a folder alphabetically. I also tried accessing my database on the command line with keepassxc-cli and I still could not figure out how to list the entries in a group the way I wanted.

#1 talked about using Chemacs, using different profiles. #3 said there is a with-emacs shell script; I assume he was talking about this. Emacs 29 will probably make those obsolete. #3 pointed out that Chemacs can mess with some configs. He mentioned an “early init file“, which I had never heard of. I guess his work with Crafted Emacs forces him to deal with corner cases that most users never deal with.

#6 asked about blogging. He uses org2blog to publish to WordPress. I also blog with WordPress. I write the post in Org, use org-export-dispatch to export to HTML, and then copy and past the HTML into Classic Editor. I hate the Gutenberg editor, and based on the reviews for the Classic Editor plugin, I am not alone; instead of calling the new editor Gutenberg, they should have called it Torquemada. If the Classic Editor plugin gets discontinued, I might go with JBake. #3 uses WriteFreely. #4 pointed out Hugo supports Org, and mentioned write.as and Keybase. #6 also looking at a way to display inline pdfs in Org.

#3 pointed out that Emacs runs on Android. At first I don’t see the point, but #3 mentioned that Chromebooks can run Android.

#4 gave a link to a reg-ex debugger, but this site might not work with Emacs regular expressions. So with Emacs regex, you wind up having three problems. You can find a page on Emacs regular expressions here, Perl here, and Java here. There is a free regex tester that is a part of a group of sties called Dan’s Tools. A few people shared some regex horror stories. (Is “regex horror story” redundant?)

#5 had his cat say hello. #3 mentioned his dogs. I asked if there are any cat people in Oklahoma, and #3 said there are, but it is mostly a dog state.

#4 asked about Zile, GNU’s other configurable editor. Per GNU, it means “Zile Implements Lua Editors” and also “Zile is Lossy Emacs“. I guess it can be used to run a Lua editor names Zz, or an Emacs clone called Zemacs. This led to talk of other Emacsen. Many of them have fallen away, but they were specific platforms that no longer exist. Linus Torvalds uses MicroEMACS, which was last released in 1996. The source to Gosling Emacs was released recently (Github link here, Hacker News link here). #5 gave a rundown of Gosling emacs: Gosling put a wrapper around the TECO language, sold it to a company that charged for it, RMS got mad and rewrote Gosling’s Lisp.

#3 pointed out RMS does not use external packages, per RMS’s EmacsConf talk. He uses VC, and sees no point in integrating Magit into Emacs. To be fair, per the Emacs docs VC can interface with other version control systems in addition to Git.

The converstation turned to Emacs code: a lot of it is forgotten and hasn’t been looked at or changed in a long time, and that there are a lot of features people do not know about. #3 said that working on Crafted Emacs led him to find features that he had never heard of. One feature that was mentioned was Whitespace mode (see here and here). #3 and #4 also talked about proced, which can manage processes. There is no mention of it in the Emacs documentation. There is an article about it on Mastering Emacs and an article and and article here with discussion here. The source code is here, and mirrored here. You have to invoke it old-school with M-x proced. As far as I know, there is no key chord for it.

Like Dired, there are some commands you can run in the buffer:

(n)ext, (p)revious, (m)ark, (u)nmark, (k)ill, (q)uit (type ? for more help)

Using M-x describe-bindings in the proced buffer, I was able to find the proced functions:

I give people numbers since I do not know if they want their names in this write-up. Think of it as the stoner’s version of the Chatham House Rule. I figured that numbers are a little clearer than “someone said this, and someone else said that, and a third person said something else”. Plus it gives participants some deniability. People’s numbers are based on the order they are listed on the call screen, and the same person may be referred to by different numbers in different months.

I am not the official spokesperson for the group. I just got into the habit of summarizing the meetings every month, and adding my own opinions about things. The participants may remember things differently, and may disagree with opinions expressed in this post. Nothing should be construed as views held by anyone’s employers past, present or future. That said, if you like something in this post, I will take credit; if you don’t, blame somebody else.

Image from Grec 224, an 11th-century manuscript housed at the National Library of France; image assumed allowed under public domain.

There was another meeting a few weeks ago of EmacsATX, the Austin Emacs Meetup group. For the this month we had no predetermined topic.

#1 was one of the organizers. He used to live in Austin, but now lives in East Texas.
#2 was a developer near Dallas. He was a power user of IntelliJ, but now uses Doom.
#3 was one of our developers in OKC (Still the Artist Known as Number Three).
#4 did not say much; their name was unfamiliar to me.
#5 was one of the organizers, and formerly worked for the City of Austin.
#6 was a guy from San Francisco, who also did not say much.
#7 was our professor from OKC.
#8 was from Seattle. I think he attended in 2022-12, and was trying to transition from VS Code to Emacs.
There was a #9 and a #10, but they did not say anything while I was on.

I joined a bit late, and there was a lot of talk about running a meeting. I think #6 is involved in the Emacs group in San Francisco. He said that running a meeting is a lot of work. Someone mentioned recording the meeting, and that was shot down. I think a lot of people did not like being recorded unfiltered. Granted, Emacs users are even more intelligent, sophisticated and attractive than other IT folks, even readers of Tales From the Jar Side. EmacsSF does have a Youtube channel, but there are some gaps. I do not remember if #6 said why they stopped recording or if he had any part in the decision. Maybe they just got sick of doing it.

#8 said it is hard to get into Emacs. #1 recommended resources: YouTube, Sacha Chua, ChatGPT. There were some suggestions about how to discover things in Emacs: C-h o (which runs describe-symbol), info pages. #7 mentioned the Emacs Buddy initiative system: you can connect with an experienced Emacs user. You can find the web page about it here, and an EmacsConf22 talk about it here. I have still not gotten around to watching the videos from prior EmacsConf years.

A lot of the meeting was #2 and #3 sharing their screens showing the rest of us how they use Emacs and Org to manage REST requests. They use different languages inside the Org files to make the requests and to process the results. I have to admit sometimes I was a bit lost during their demos; their Emacs-fu is very powerful.

They both mentioned an Emacs package called verb to help manage requests. #2 uses shell, awk and Python to make the requests, then transforms the JSON result into edn (extensible data notation) (pronounced like “Garden of edn”) and works with it using Clojure in a REPL inside Emacs. He also changed his file to make a request with curl. #3 had an elisp function inside javascript to populate his JSON request.

#3 talked about verb using the header line. I honestly have never heard of the header line. The mode line is the line at the bottom, and every config has that; the header line is like a mode line at the top. I think most configs do not use it or disable it. Prelude does not have it. My config (based on an Emacs config for Clojure by Daniel Higginbotham, aka flyingmachine) does not have it either (see Note 1 below). I think the mode line has always been in Emacs, and the header line was just added a few years ago.

#3 also mentioned which-key: per its web page it is a package “that displays available keybindings in popup”. #3 says lives in Org mode, and uses it to keep notes for meetings; he is an inspiration to us all.

#8 said he loves and hates VS Code. MSCode is easy to use, and he said he was having a hard time getting into Emacs. I think he might be trying to do too much at once with Emacs. #1 mentioned you do not have to open PDFs in Emacs if you do not want to. #2: said many people see Emacs as an editor, tool, or IDE, and while it is those things, ultimately it is a Lisp REPL. I wish I heard what he said after that, but then my power went out. Perhaps next time he will complete the thought again.

You’re welcome.

Note 1: Prelude and flyingmachine’s Emacs config may have changed since I last downloaded them. My version of Prelude is from a year ago, and I have been altering flyingmachine’s config from about three years ago.

I give people numbers since I do not know if they want their names in this write-up. Think of it as the stoner’s version of the Chatham House Rule. I figured that numbers are a little clearer than “someone said this, and someone else said that, and a third person said something else”. Plus it gives participants some deniability. People’s numbers are based on the order they are listed on the call screen, and the same person may be referred to by different numbers in different months.

I am not the official spokesperson for the group. I just got into the habit of summarizing the meetings every month, and adding my own opinions about things. The participants may remember things differently, and may disagree with opinions expressed in this post. Nothing should be construed as views held by anyone’s employers past, present or future. That said, if you like something in this post, I will take credit; if you don’t, blame somebody else.

Image from Mungi Gospels, an 11th-century Armenian manuscript housed at the Matenadaran Institute of Ancient Manuscripts in Yerevan; image from Wikimedia, assumed allowed under public domain.

There was another meeting two weeks ago of EmacsATX, the Austin Emacs Meetup group. For the this month we had no predetermined topic.

#1 was one of the organizers, and is active in the Austin Clojure group. He shared his screen for most of the presentation.
#2 was our professor in OKC.
#3 was a local Javascript/Clojure dev in Austin.
#4 was a local dev in Austin. I think he was #5 back in June.
#5 was one of the organizers, and formerly worked for the City of Austin.

#2 previously presented to the group back in May on developing Emacs Lisp as well as using it for molecular biology. He referenced the presentation he gave for EmacsConf 2021. He also gave a talk at the recent EmacsConf in December 2022. He spoke a bit about how the conference was handled: people pre-recorded their talks, their talks were shown at the scheduled time, and then there was a chat to ask questions. He said some of the talks were very polished. RMS got to do his live. He can ramble live, or he can ramble on tape. What is the difference?

#2 was surprised at how many young people were involved with the conference.

There is an online book club going over Mastering Emacs that #2 attends. You can find out about it here. There are quite a few regular Emacs meetings listed on Sacha Chua’s Emacs new feed, although some are at a bad time for US people. A couple of people in the ATC meeting wondered how Sacha Chua makes the digest; it would be hard to automate putting posts into categories. Does she do it by hand? She has been doing this since 2015. Maybe she gave a talk about it at an EmacsConf one year; I will have to check. I still have not gotten around to watching the talks from previous years. One of the effects of Org mode is that I am not only better at tracking things on my to-do list, I realized I have a very long to-do list.

There was some discussion about GPT-3 packages, which became discussions about GPT-3. #1 gave it some interview questions for Javascript, and he thought it could pass an interview. #2 pointed out that for all the hand-wringing about GPT-3, you still have to know enough to judge the answer.

#1 said he had asked it to write a few stories, and there seems to be a pattern: a group struggles, they persevere, it works out, happy ending. Like every sports movie.

#1 asked me about Rainer Koenig’s Org-mode course. I still have to finish. I got it two years ago, and I learned enough to get stuff done with it, and haven’t gotten around to finishing. I know there is a stereotype of Emacs users who spend so much time configuring Emacs they never get much done. After I got halfway through Rainer’s course, my config has been pretty stable. Rainer is big on key chords (as are most Emacs people), but now when I learn a new mode I prefer to use M-x $FUNCTION_NAME to get stuff done. I have to pause a lot to get the function names for the new key chords he was introducing. I do not know any of the key chords for Org at all, and I see nothing wrong with that. The only criticism I have of his course is that a lot of the dates in his Org files are from a few years ago, so when you go into agenda views, all the items are from a few years ago. If the view is for a week, you will have to press the “b” key to go back dozens of times. The page on Udemy says the course has not been updated since December 2020. But other than that one point, I recommend the course and I learned a lot from it.

#1 went to Udemy to find Emacs courses, and there were more courses on Udemy than we expected.

#5 said he was getting more into macros. Someone pointed out that using the function keys makes it easier. I guess Emacs did not always use F3 and F4 to start and stop macro definitions. There was some wailing and gnashing of teeth about function keys. #1 put prompt into ChatGPT: write a rant about function keys in style of Leviticus. He read it aloud, and I said he sounded like someone who did not know the answer to a question and was just stalling for time. #5 said that is most of the Bible.

Someone said that ChatGPT was just as vacuous as ELIZA. I said, “Why do you think ChatGPT is as vacuous as ELIZA?” He took the question seriously.

#1 looked at a project on Codeberg, which is the what I am thinking about migrating to. A few people talked about getting off Github. #3 noticed people use “github” the way they use google. People do not search for something, but they google it. Since he was upset, we offered to FedEx him some Kleenex.

Then we were back to ChatGPT. There was some discussion about the legal aspects of it. Github Copilot incorporates a lot of open source material from projects with various licenses. Using it could get a company in some legal trouble. Some of the visual AI programs like DALL-E have some distortions that are speculated to be washed out artist signatures.

#1 asked ChatGPT for some stories to prove they are formulaic. He predicted if you ask it for a story about two people falling in love, they always wind up together. He did that a few times, and that is what happened. I suggested a story about Charles Bukowski finding love on Github (the same way people ask DALL-E to make a picture of an astronaut in the style of French Impressionists), but it would not do it. Although it was more polite than Bukowsky. #1 asked for one where the couple finds love on Github and breaks up. ChatGPT did it, but then they got back together again.

#1 asked ChatGPT for topics for the Emacs meetup. Then he asked for the top Emacs plugins. git-timemachine looked interesting to a few people. Searching for this package led me to the Emacsmirror Github repo and website. Then #1 prompted it for presentations about Magit and beacon mode. It gave a pretty good start. No longer will presenters be hurting for presentations.

Then #1 asked ChatGPT for a story about me getting a job using Emacs. I do not remember if he was making stories for everyone, or if this was inspired by something I said; I have stated a few times I would like a job where I could be in Emacs all day. For some reason it had me learning Python (which I know nothing about) and getting a job with that, and then I fall in love with a woman named Sarah in Antarctica. I think #1 just put in my first name and not my full name, but it seemed odd to everyone that ChatGPT inserted Python and going to Antarctica. I did not think Python is the most popular language amongst Emacs programmers; I would have guessed Clojure has more Emacs users.

At the end of the meeting, #5 mentioned he worked for a couple of summers for BP up in Prudhoe Bay. He said some of them were certified engineers who had gotten burnt out with engineering. #1 said he had a college roommate who did that, made a lot of money, and used that high number to negotiate a higher salary. Then #1 talked about neighbors shooting, and speculated they must have spent a lot of money on ammo.

Kleenex, Leviticus, art, literature, romance, oil, and guns: Emacs people can talk about more than just Emacs.

Or, as some people call it, “E-Max”.

You’re welcome.

I give people numbers since I do not know if they want their names in this write-up. Think of it as the stoner’s version of the Chatham House Rule. I figured that numbers are a little clearer than “someone said this, and someone else said that, and a third person said something else”. Plus it gives participants some deniability. People’s numbers are based on the order they are listed on the call screen, and the same person may be referred to by different numbers in different months.

I am not the official spokesperson for the group. I just got into the habit of summarizing the meetings every month, and adding my own opinions about things. The participants may remember things differently, and may disagree with opinions expressed in this post. Nothing should be construed as views held by anyone’s employers past, present or future. That said, if you like something in this post, I will take credit; if you don’t, blame somebody else.

Image from Codex aureus pultoviensis, an 11th-century manuscript housed at the National Museum in Krakow; image from National Museum in Krakow, assumed allowed under public domain.

There was another meeting a week ago of EmacsATX, the Austin Emacs Meetup group. For this meeting there was no predetermined topic.

#1 was one of the organizers. He used to live in Austin, but is now somewhere in East Texas.

#2 was a developer near Dallas. He has been to a few meetings in the past.

#3 was one of our developers in OKC (Still the Artist Known as Number Three).

#4 was a developer in San Antonio. I think this was his first time.

#5 was a developer in Seattle, who was originally from Romania.

This meeting was just a few days after EmacsConf 2022. #3 and #4 listened to some of the talks as they happened.

They both listened to Richard Stallman’s talk What I’d like to see in Emacs. They agreed with Stallman that configuring Emacs with Javascript would be a bad idea, although they were against it for more technical reasons. I think using Javascript for anything is a bad idea. Stallman said he wants to be able to edit formatted documents with a WYSIWYG interface. #4 said he asked Stallman about this during the talk, since #4 felt that a WYSIWYG interface would tie information to its style or appearance and guide or possibly limit the users’ thinking, whereas a text-first philosophy allows people to process information they way they want. Both he and #3 did not feel Stallman really answered the question, or had thought it through very well.

The WYSIWYG topic led to lots of talk about what sites can run in Emacs, cookies, JS, and what should Emacs be able to do.

#3 thought it was interesting that Stallman does not use packages.

Someone mentioned that they were shocked Stallman did not know what Magit is. I did some digging, and the only reference I could find to this was a post on the Emacs-development mailing list in 2014. AustinATX did not start having evening meetings until 2016, so I was not as plugged in to Emacs as I am now. I have heard in the past few years that some people have gotten into Emacs because of Magit. I have no idea if that was the case in 2014.

There was some talk about EmacsConf and conferences in general. #3 liked that the talks at EmacsConf were short, like lightning talks, and that left more time for Q&A. #2 said conferences exhaust him. I mentioned that every time I have gone to a conference with two tracks, there will always be a time slot with two talks on topics that interest me, followed by a time slot in which neither topic interests me. A few times I went to conferences and stayed at a less expensive hotel; each time I wound up paying the difference in parking or cab fare.

#3 want to go back and watch EmacsConf presentation on eshell. #2 watches videos by browsing feeds from sites rather than sites themselves with elfeed; for YouTube he uses elfeed-tube and youtube-sub-extractor. I will have to look into these. I use emacs with the –no-window-system switch, so I will have to make a new alias to try this stuff. Anything GUI or pretty does not render when Emacs is run in terminal mode.

At some point I mentioned I bought Mastering Emacs over the holiday weekend. The author ran a sale for 20% off. He runs sales a few times a year. Keep an eye out for a good deal.

#3 said the Crafted Emacs community has moved to Mastodon. He did not give a link, although there is a Mastodon server dedicated to Emacs. There is a Mastodon client in Emacs hosted on Codeberg.

There was talk about ChatGPT. Most of us were worried about our futures.

#2 had a suggestion for next meeting: pool ideas about what we want in Emacs, make a list, maybe make something.

#1 would like a theme that adjusts based on time of day, and someone suggested Circadian. This question came up in the January meeting. I guess they are not reading this site.

#4 wants a starter kit for specific workflow. I cannot remember what it was. This led to a lot of discussion about what starter kits should do, and can non-experts run multiple configs, how easy is it to get started.

#5 asked if anyone else uses Emacs on Windows. I mentioned I use it to keep notes in Org mode. #2 has Linux on a VM on Windows, and provided a link to running Emacs on Windows with WSL2.

#5 has issues with using Emacs in Windows shop: Can he share his tools/scripts with others at his job? Maybe not, but if it makes him more productive than everybody else, who is using the wrong tool? #5 also asked for tips on how to learn Emacs; I think he said this was his fifth attempt, but I also got the impression he is proficient with Emacs, and maybe Emacs Lisp as well. #2 talked a bit about how he learned Emacs, getting through a list in Org mode, starting small and building up. I pointed out nobody looks at JDK javadoc and says, “There are thousands of classes, I could never learn it all.” They learn enough to get something done, then learn more as they need it. But for some reason people seem to freeze learning Emacs. #2 said it can be a long road, but it is worth it. He decided to go cold turkey with IntelliJ and just use Emacs. He uses Emacs because it helps do things he cannot do with other tools. He also said something that could go on a tombstone: “The road to simplicity is never straightforward.” Or he was just quoting Yogi Berra.

You’re welcome.

I give people numbers since I do not know if they want their names in this write-up. Think of it as the stoner’s version of the Chatham House Rule. I figured that numbers are a little clearer than “someone said this, and someone else said that, and a third person said something else”. Plus it gives participants some deniability. People’s numbers are based on the order they are listed on the call screen, and the same person may be referred to by different numbers in different months.

I am not the official spokesperson for the group. I just got into the habit of summarizing the meetings every month, and adding my own opinions about things. That said, if you like something in this post, I will take credit; if you don’t, blame somebody else.

Image from a 12th-century manuscript housed at the Dujcev Center at Sofia University in Bulgaris; image from Wikimedia, assumed allowed under public domain.